I like skinny women, Shankster likes the hefties. Both of us can give arguments to both, but neither of us is right or wrong.
My name is Pdogsbeware, and I'm addicted to Berettas. But no, I don't need help. Drifter Sergeant Full Member. Aug 16, 0 Alaska.
Pdogs, That was about the best explanation possible. I have many thousands of rounds through the M9 and have instructed hundreds of folks on the line with the M9 and very few problems all things considered. Locking blocks do crack, but out of the tens of thousands of rounds fired these problems showed up pretty infrequently until the guns had high round counts. Very high milage guns showed signs of wear, and yes things do break eventually.
Like anything else. Sure I like a better, but it was not issued during my time. My employer went to Sigs, and people bad mouth them too. Mostly the guys who shoot like shit bash the sig, trigger, sights, weight, feel whatever. I expect the old timers hate change, and the new boots parrot the old timers. The cycle continues no matter what branch, or dept. If you love the , you hate the, plastic guns, if you are a Glock man, the xyz is garbage, firearms are very personal and usually the issued piece is not what everyone wants.
Cant please everybody. There is no arguing most weapons that go into service go through rigorous testing along with several other companies offerings, the final decision is made by bean counters in most cases based on the performance stats, cost included.
We all know its lowest bidder, but I would hardly call anything that passed testing for service use a piece of shit Most guys don't maintain a service weapon like it was theirs, and many have no clue how to do it right.
I don't miss it, but I could shoot the hell out of it when I carried one. It would not be my first choice, but mehhh it wasn't all bad. Nov 26, 21 San Marcos, TX www. People hate on the M9 because the military issues it. I personally don't like the M9 because of the ergonomics or lack there of and, as stated before, the trigger sucks. That being said, I believe the "hate" comes from the Man making people use it. Vqlindiir, I just posted this in another thread, a good solution is a pistol safe, i have one bolted down in my trunk.
I only use it when i go to an airport or courtroom, etc. Its not great but it will stop a smash and grab. BravoSector1 Sergeant Full Member. Oct 26, 1, 45 Alabama. We're still qualifying personnel I don't have man hands It's heavy I've carred an M-9, round in chamber on fire should identify my service component for 13 years I've seen plain jane serviceman score amazing groups fist size holes at 50 meters over 90 rounds , with a worn out M9s over the years, at beyond defensive ranges.
If it works for you Don't let someone tell YOU what weapon will work. I don't have a choice in the matter so I train with it , and protect my home with, the weapon I know and understand better than others I've been exposed to. A sidearm is an intimate weapon and must be USED to be evaluated. Jun 17, 89 3 38 Wales WI www. It was pretty accurate. I cut coils off the hammer spring to reduce pull weight, and wrapped tape around the trigger to reduce over-travel.
I ran only Beretta's Italy made hostile environment 15 round magazines. I shot it about 50 rounds every other day, and I don't think it ever jammed maybe rounds fired. Reliability is the definite strong point of the M9. Things to like? Reliability Light recoil High capacity acceptable though not incredible combat accuracy " groups at 25yards The things I don't like about it?
It's big and heavy- the trigger sucks, the sights SUCK The barrel has no bushing so there is end play that could easily be removed. The aluminum frame is pretty easy to abuse, and the guns in the hands of dip shit soldiers who treat guns like welfare recipients treat the projects, they look 10 years old in 1 year. Mine looked almost new at the end of deployment except for holster wear, but I feel a more durable pistol is probably in the best interest of the military.
This video was shot at 10 yards on 6" plates. The reason the army doesn't issue them probably has to do with ND's. The Glock would probably cause a lot of dead soldiers to happen where the M9 decocker helps a lot. I've carried the Glock for one year loaded, but I feel the M9 is inherently a little more joe-proof.
So really the Beretta or Sig would be the choices for the military, and I've not shot Sigs much so other than night sights and better accuracy I can't say how much better the Sig would be. I was shooting at Camp Pendelton a few years ago with one of their range 92s and it field stripped itself after I shot it.
It just died. I didn't get hurt, it was old, like Bea Arthur old. They got me a new one, it's sights were off, and I was hitting stuff just fine with it. I was aiming at 11 meters around 6 inches left and 4 inches up to hit the center, if I am recalling correctly. They were WAY off. The Beretta is probably suffering from, its what you are forced to have so the grass is greener over there.
I do not own one, but I have come close, often, to getting one. A guy I shot with in Oregon, he competed with one, and loved it, he just wasn't a fan. Its all opinion, and if you do leave your gun in the car, you better have it locked up, forget the criminal aspect of the law.
Think of the civil side of the law, at least I do. Not starting a food fight here Can't fix that. Talk to the brass and politicians. Last I heard, a friend of mine went through Airforce basic for Weather and she fired blanks for her weapons qualification. I don't know what they were testing there either, but it was pretty safe. I'm not going to sugar coat reality and neither does the Army when they buy weapons.
There are some idiots carrying guns when you have , people carrying them in a calendar year. One preventable letter from Uncle Sam for death caused by a fellow soldier is reason enough to use a safer sidearm- that's probably what they are thinking when they choose a sidearm IMO. If you think the Glock and Beretta M9 would have the same safety statistics, you are not being very realistic.
The M9 has one more safety device related to the operator than the Glock. The Safety on the M9 disconnects the firing pin, so even if the trigger is inadvertently pulled, nothing happens. I know it's not a solution to idiots, but I really don't think the Glock could be considered "More safe".
I've carried the M9 in a red condition de-cocked and off safe seven days a week for 11 months and the Glock for 13 months. No issues with either, but I can tell you I took greater care with handling the Glock. In the holster the M9 was off safe, if I was carrying it without a holster it went on safe as an additional precaution.
The Glock was always holstered as I considered carrying it in a hand for something like a midnight walk to the pisser to be somewhat less safe. My experiences with the M9 were par for the course. It worked when I needed it to work. I wasn't a big fan of the M9 but that was personal preference. I never had any malfunctions during my time on active duty. I currently shoot PX4.
I originally bought if for my wife and she doesn't shoot it so I kind of inherited it. I have some preference issues with the trigger but other than that my PX4 is rock solid. Jan 11, 7, 8, Florida.
No hate Aug 24, 1 32 SW Idaho. Different strokes for different folks. I personally like them but realize they aren't as reliable as a Glock. Feb 10, 2, 74 Wyoming. Just shot another falling plate match yesterday using a 92FS.
I use cast bullets. Over three hundred rounds and not a hickup. Accurate too. The only problem I found that when I was eyeballing the next guys plates instead of the front sight I missed. Colonel Full Member. The only problem I see with the M9 is it ain't built to the same specs as the civi version, I remember qualifying with old beat to shit 38s, then qualifying with a new M9, this was , our instructor told us that the slides needed replacement after 10k rounds because slides were hitting people in the face, he went over all the changes so the pistol could be cheapened up enough to get the contract, so to me that BS, combined that with the political BS to ram a European product in our troops hands is the reason there is no love for the M9.
NorthernBorn Private Minuteman. Dec 3, 0 0 33 Michigan. The Beretta M9 holds a special place in a Tanker's heart because for us, it's a primary weapon dismounted from the vehicle.
The M4 is supposed to be almost a crew served weapon with only TWO on the tank for a crew of four. During modern operations Tankers are mostly doing the same job as infantry and that's why we all have issued M4s.
I actually bought my M9 to, in a way, commemorate my war time experiences in the same way the WW2 Vets were able to buy their weapons after the war. I haven't built my M4 yet due to funds but that's besides the point. I purchased this M9 brand new through Davidsons and swapped out the grips with the Hogue wrap arounds as that was what I did with my issued M9. The grips that came with it were identical minus A LOT of hard use. When I opened the box and inspected the pistol I noticed a few things that troubled me considering I bought it to have an exact clone of what I had overseas.
There are also a few other changes but they're insignificant in comparison. Other than those polymer parts and the hex screws for the grip instead of the slotted screws it's pretty much identical. I was concerned that they switched to "plastics" on some pretty important parts and felt that Beretta had went with the times and went with cheaper parts as most companies have these days so I inquired with Beretta USA as to why my M9, not 92FS, had cheap ass plastic where my REAL M9 had metal.
Their response was actually quite informative and interesting. Beretta was not ignorant of these lessons over the years. It turns out they went with polymer on some parts of the new M9 because of that data. The polymer has a smaller chance of binding up due to sand and thus provides more reliability in short terms.
Now for my two biggest concerns I enlisted when I was 19 and didn't have any experience with hand guns before the Army so the M9 was what I first learned on and that knowledge is what I compare everything else against.
The trigger just had a cheap feel now that it was polymer. My issued M9 trigger was actually very nice. Way better than all of the other M9s in my company.
I specifically like the shape and feel of the metal trigger. Come to find out that the trigger on my M9 is actually steel coated in polymer.
The polymer coating on it improved reliability. The military, in general, is not provided any form of dry lubricant and all of us know that wet lubricants CLP attract dirt. Dirt is the enemy of most weapons. Now on to the guide rod. Once you remove it from the weapon it feels very flimsy and cheap. This was really my biggest concern out of all of it.
Beretta actually gave me a very satisfactory answer as to what "lesson learned" could possibly apply to replacing a metal rod with a gutted polymer rod. They went with this specific design for a number of reasons. The polymer doesn't accumulate heat like the traditional steel rod does and helps the pistol run cooler. On top of that, it also makes the soldier more "Joe-proof" as mentioned above. Whether a soldier drops to the ground with the slide locked back for whatever reason or simply bends the metal guide rod from being ill advised by his NCO polymer tends to bend and return to its original state, unlike the metal rod.
For personal preference I will be replacing that polymer rod with a stainless one piece very soon. If I'm ever carrying my specific pistol in that type of environment again I will throw in the polymer and see if it performs better. As for the rest of the parts I was planning on swapping them out with USGI parts especially the trigger but I think I might just leave them be and see how they perform over time.
As for that old, poorly maintained M9 I carried through Iraq and fired quite frequently on the ranges back at Fort Hood The only problem I ever had with it was due to shit ass magazines.
Specifically the Check-Mate contract mags. The same goes for my Colt M4. The only time I had issues with it were when I had garbage ass magazines. I bought myself some P-Mags and my M4 functioned flawlessly every time I pulled the trigger. I qualified expert with both weapons every time and I can provide the range cards to prove it.
To fix that problem Beretta is providing a new "sand resistant" magazine now that not only takes care of the poor quality of the old magazines with better springs and followers but also a "self lubricating" coating that is serving the Marines and their M9A1s very well in Afghanistan. If you have any questions or feedback I am definitely open to it.
May 10, 0 64 Colorado. First semi auto I owned was a stainless italian made 92, sold it a few years ago but just bought a M9, replaced the guide rod and put in some Wolf springs and she's great. Is it my go to carry gun? No, but I do like owning one and am very comfortable with it and wouldn't hesitate to grab it in any situation.
Feb 11, 1, pittsburgh pa. Dec 9, 1, 9 38 north dakota. A14 Sergeant Full Member. Feb 16, 0 35 Amarillo, Texas. I didn't read everyone's post, but as from my signature you can see I own a , glock, and a beretta 92fs.
I did read someone saying glock is more reliable than the m9. I have put a couple thousand rounds through all of my guns, and the only failure I have had was out of the but after I put my touches and parts on, with good mags I get 0. I would trust my life with all 3 guns. I have read that the pull on the m9 is hard. The only issue I have with the pull is the pre travel. I have worked on both my glock and beretta for a lighter pull. My 92FS now has.
I have not had to do any work to my beretta as far as reliability, as it is a very reliable and capable firearm. Some people just have to hate to justify their own purchase Feb 23, 1, 1 39 Northeast Pennsylvania.
Com Mobile. Because the is God's pistol and JMB was a prophet back when profits were ok and rabble rabble rabble I prefer a , but if i have to shoot the ladies caliber, the M9 is high on the list. I think its one of the best looking pistols made. It's a pretty big ass pistol for a 9mm. Because it's the standard-issue pistol.
If the still were, it would receive the same amount of criticism. The slide mounted safety is one reason, the trigger is another. Your OP addresses both what I like and dislike about the Dislike: They are awfully big for a 9mm pistol. Like: They are built like a tank. No hate here - I own a Two for the rail and optional slim grips.
Trigger, size, caliber, all make it I don't notice that much hate. There was a huge love thread not too long ago. Quoted: Because the is God's pistol and JMB was a prophet back when profits were ok and rabble rabble rabble Owner here.
Mel Gibson had one in Lethal Weapon. Main reason I own one! They're big so they don't get a lot of love from the Concealed Carry crowd. They replaced a firearm a lot of military guys were pretty fond of, and had some trouble of its own in service, so a lot of military guys aren't huge fans of it either. Most of the competition guys seem to prefer other guns as well. No mass of people carrying it, remembering it fondly from service, or using it in competition?
No love. Personally, I don't think it's a bad gun and if I had unlimited gun budget I'd own one. But there are other guns I prefer and would far prefer to spend my gun money on than the Quoted: Your OP addresses both what I like and dislike about the Ugly,heavy,big,Italian and probably a few other things.
If you can keep it clean it will shoot great, if it gets dirty, like they did in Iraq. You are better off throwing it at your target! I can't remember which now either an "L" mode or an "M" model which takes a single stack column magazine.
It's kinda like bitching about the Glock 34 or Glock 17 is too big for CCW when you know damn well there is a Glock No hate here, just no need. Quoted: Yes it had some initial teething problems and the Checkmate mags also gave it feeding problems, but both issues have been resolved. Quoted: No hate here, just no need. Slide mounted safety.
For a 15 rd 9mm, Id rather carry a G Its heavy, bulky and the ergonomics suck for anyone without bear paws.
You cant conceal it well,. The DA triggre is shit. Quoted: i have fired one both here in the states and in Iraq. Quoted: It's a pretty big ass pistol for a 9mm. I have one at home and use one at work, it's a good gun. Better question, why does the. Quoted: For a 15 rd 9mm, Id rather carry a G I love mine.
Its the very first handgun I bought when I was of age. If I were to pick up a 9mm pistol, a 92fs would be on the short list. I will eventually inherit my father's, but I'd prefer to wait a long time for that. Quoted: Quoted: For a 15 rd 9mm, Id rather carry a G There are certainly better guns out there, but I like them.
It would be nice if they brought back the vertec pistols. That helped a lot with the large grip size.
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