I'll keep you posted. If price is a concern and you want straight performance then why are you not looking at a t23 or a Both would fit on your lift albeit barely. We went from a tige to axis, ride in nautiques, malibus, mastercrafts.
I miss none of the BS. I don't have to teach anyone 10x how to use some proprietary interface. I can talk to my rider through the wind shield. The wake is easily the most approachable and in my opinion best wakes I have ever ridden. The quality is equal to any of those boats even if some of the dash materials ar more plastic.
The t23 has the flashiest interiorni in the axis line. You're not doing yourself any favors by excluding them. For obvious reasons the dealer would sell me an Axis and the T23 would fit the weight limit but we never really discussed the price there so before I say anything else I'll have to talk to him. As I said before - no Epic dealer was in that area - I had an issue with the Mercury engine twice broken relay and later impeller.
I wouldn't have found the broken relay so a Mercury dealer was the only option. Impeller I would have figured out - as it was under warranty - again the dealer fixed it at no cost to me but that I could have done myself as well. Was I just plain lucky or are the 'horror' stories of poor service just taken out of proportion because if something goes wrong it usually gets worse but for every boat with a problem there are more without? Axis has stepped it up on their interior and they do have great wakes.
Have heard a few issues of stress cracks. Not sure if it's all true or not. On like 2 boats? They have a lifetime hull warranty I wouldn't even worry about it. I've seen ridiculous issues on every boat. None are exempt. I can tell true horror stories. I'm with simplej on this one. You want a boat for the long haul but want the one that will cost the most on upkeep. When the warranty is up on the Malibu and you have to replace either one of the two screens you are going to be wishing you had the Axis.
I would be heavily considering the A24 first than the T Last edited by tweeder; at AM. I only have about 55 hours on my MB F22 but have had zero issues. Love this boat. I'm not much of a wakeboarder, though.
Friends who wakeboard say the wake is very aggressive. It does seem a bit weight sensitive side to side, so we use ballast to even it out. One thing I like about my boat is the ride in chop - it is just smoother plain and simple than the Malibu and Axis boats I've been on when conditions turn or we're running across Lake Tahoe.
All things are a compromise of some sort - you just have to pick what's the right compromise for you. For me, the build quality, ride quality, simple driver interface and the look feel of the aluminum dash and manual switches, along with the surf performance of the MB won me over. Malibus are truly sweet boats, though, and if you like the higher tech dash and some of the other nice luxury touches you really can't go wrong. Buy an Axis T23 and enjoy having the best bang-for-your-buck wakeboard boat on the planet.
Enjoy a massive cockpit that will accomodate your crew and 4 large dogs with room to spare. If Axis is on your radar as a possibility, you should very strongly consider that T It sounds like it would be a great fit for your needs.
Last edited by sambo13; at PM. However, the Malibu will surely sell faster since there's more awareness for the brand among the larger demographic that's interested in an inboard for status vs water sports. First impression - table is really wide - when walking around the boat it did wash out a bit speed was at Put quite a damper on me Was otherwise extremely impressed by the clean built - seriously - this engine compartment is so clean and accessible - frigging amazing for those who are used to an cramped engine compartment But that dang wake I was like how would you even clear that well I suck at wakeboarding so I shouldn't judge.
Now today - because of the still pretty surprising temps here in MN I got the chance to be in an Axis T22 - nice color combo etc. Maybe I should take this as a bad sign but not getting any bruises for an entire season and we didn't make it off the dock and I was bleeding from a gash on my head I was again not riding - just watching Table as wide as the MB - at 75ft riding but it was wide - much wider than I'm used to behind Malibus dating back to Regardless - boat was also sensitive - moving around caused the same washing as the day before.
Now one more thing as I wasn't talking about surf wake: The MB was on a lake only 5ft deep - there was no way that I would be able to see anything and I'm not going to judge dealer nor boat. So we're almost back to square one One last thing - annoying for both brands: Both rear corner seat back can't be taken out.
Now that makes again not sense to some of you In my Epic I put drains in for that particular reason because that's where water from dogs and people for that matter will end up. Surprising to see carpet on the Axis covering the gel coat underneath the seat cushions sweet as it doesn't cause dings - bad because the carpet is even worse to drain.
Oh - and one more thing yes I said that before : Neither boat can be thrown into neutral when you stop to pick up a rider surfing AND wakeboarding as it washes up immediately all the way to the sun deck.
The reason I'm saying this: I don't know how many times I answered the question about the Epic back speakers 'don't they get soaked etc. I really have to say - absolutely surprising how much water comes up on either boat What a long thread If money is less concern then I'd go Bu over the MB. However my '16 B52 sold in 1 day. I think MB has closed some of the gap on the BU's however they are indeed a smaller company and don't have the dealer network that BU has.
Point being get a boat from a local dealer close to you. I sold my '16 with hours on it. Here's mine tied up in Tahoe. As to this "wide table" thing I'm no stud wakeboarder and I've had no problem clearing the wake of either the 23' MB or axis T Though I don't ride at 75' either, because then yeah, you'd have to be pretty aggro on the cut. And not sure what you mean about not cutting to neutral when a rider drops? I mean that's how we have always done it on the very two boats you mention.
If surfing heavy the cut to neutral is accompanied by spinning the wheel to the non-surf side so the following roller will spin the boat around. Neither MB nor much lower freeboard axis has ever taken water from behind. I have to go back to what Bakes said earlier in this thread. Your lift at a 5,lb limit is going to be maxed out big time if not well over. Both boats you're looking at are lbs dry. Add gear and stereo and whatever else, you're really going to be pushing that limit.
If it were me I would look at smaller boats which doeesn't sound like an option or get a new lift. I guess you could always unload the boat before lifting it every time but that sounds like a real pain. I'll continue to follow this thread as I really like both boats and am interested in what you end up with. Good luck! Trying to reply both of you After talking to the dealer he did indicate the 2 hull choices diamond vs.
Having that said - the table on both epics I owned was never that wide - so consider this also - I haven't been in a boat or newer since late summer of this year. So prolly more an issue of surprise other than anything else. And yes I would never ride at Washing up the sun deck: honestly never had to worry about it - regardless of wakeboarding or surfing - not turning of turning - no wash from behind.
I learned driving when we only were boarding and you waited for the wake to pass the boat so it wouldn't bounce around when turning to pick up the rider. Guess old school old me New boat new rules all good I can still learn new tricks Last topic -weight: well in when buying my Floe lift - lbs seem to be plenty So I'm aware of the weight issue - fully fueled etc.
Yes we unload before lifting boat - just hold it in place. Sad part is that I'm getting a trade offer on my lift of 3. And last - I have been looking at LSVs - two priced in the range I'm willing to spend and color combo along the way I like which would pay for the new lift because of price and no tax due to being a private sale.
Haven't told wifey all about this - she's willing to cash after last weeks disaster please don't turn this into a political thread - yes I'm disappointed but that is democracy at its best. I told her not to but maybe there's a G25 in my future And last: if I would buy the axis I feel like I would have given in to the dealer network issue I have drilled holes into my boats and will find a way to drain that water underneath those seats too Originally Posted by shawndoggy.
I'm heading out to test the Malibu this weekend Liking the looks of the new tower on the MB versus their previous one. Also really like the colors you've got built out on that MB. Malibu is a global brand. MB is regional. Neither of them own one now.
When it comes to resale there is a large portion of the map that there is essentially zero brand recognition. I am not speaking about the quality, comfort, value, etc of the MB. For all I know they make a great boat.
I've bought and sold a ton of boats over the years. My Nautiques and Malibu's essentially sold themselves. Yeah, the big 3 typically sell much better because of greater brand recognition, a deeper pool of prospective buyers and much better overall dealer support. It was also less sensitive to weight shifting - my 2nd concern - there were 4 adults in the boat and 2 kids and they weren't necessarily stationary and I wasn't on purpose but the change in the lip was minimal.
I still prefer the color combo on the MB but the wake was the main factor in this decision. Reason: wrong pics. Congrats you'll a love it. Great boat!!
That copper flake is my favorite color out of any new boat. So how much more is your cost over the MB? You mentioned Net lbs.
Speaking of resale, how did your Epic vinyl hold up to the dogs? Nice boat. Make sure to post pics of the build process. Great choice! Congratulations on your new toy. I can't disclose the numbers I'm sorry - I owe that to each of the dealers I talked to. I didn't go shopping for prices as I tried to be fair to both of them. Having that said - the difference between the MB vs.
I asked the dealer one more time about the net weight for the 23LSV and he confirmed that the weight would be lbs.
Once I'll get the boat I will do the weight test on a scale here to get the final numbers. So the lift stays for now - I'm checking into new boat lifts and will list mine in the next few days to see if someone is interested. Vinyl held up fine - the dogs didn't cause actual damage - only streaks on a particular type of it Malibu uses the same type on the sections above shown in white.
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